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Oh, you didn't like it? You must be GREENcist. Sorry thats my impression of somebody who's DEI WOKE! Green people aren't real - theyre not green like my pea soup eating daughter who lost her life to super mega liver failure! Ariana Grande is a beautiful singer but I wish she would stop singing about her promiscuous activities. It makes me feel uncomfortable because it reminds of the time that my cougar wife Jeanette stepped out on me. She told me she could've had 7 men at the same time - she had 10. My "inferior" triplets who canNOT sing or dance or do anything besides ride unicycles were more than likely born from one of these many affairs. As Tom "Top Gun Rain Man" Cruise said, she took the high way to the danger zone and came back pregnant. Godspeed to you Mrs. Abby. I hope that the traditional life is treating you well. HollyWOKE will suffer.

- Alan, 65, Wichita, KS

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Hi Abby! I definitely respect and understand where you're coming from as a fellow theatre nerd and vocalist.

I'm honestly really happy that not all aspects from the original Broadway show were copied and pasted directly into the movie version. As theatre nerds, we know that we can all take the characters and make them our own while honoring the script. Why make a movie of Wicked just to do everything entirely the same? While Erivo's version of Elphaba wasn't free from flaws, in my opinion, these flaws make sense for the character. She's still very quick to judge others who are on the opposite side of the social hierarchy, quick to start commotion before she has all necessary information, and impulsive when she's physically or emotionally at risk. All of these character flaws are maintained while still making sense with the character's backstory.

As for the initial dynamics between Elphaba and Galinda, rather than showing complete frustration she comes off as “over it” (her/them) (like rolling her eyes at Fiyero), Elphaba comes off as "not interested," "annoyed," and even maybe disgusted by Galinda's presence. This is evident at the very beginning of their arrival at Shiz when the two meet for the first time and they argue in front of everyone. There's instant disdain, and both view themselves as better than one another. She even carelessly scatters and piles all of Galinda's things in their dorm, when making room for herself, as she simply finds Galinda excessive by nature (none of her things mattering). This can even be seen in class when she tells Galinda that the pronunciation of her name isn't vital to the class and basically calls her out for being egotistical. All this to say - Erivo's portrayal of disdain towards her counterpart was successful.

Regarding what Elphaba learns from Galinda - firstly, this is her first actual friend, and she has to learn how to get along with someone she once couldn't stand. She also learns how to find goodness in those she finds incredibly privileged. She has to choose internally to see goodness in Galinda as well. She has to learn forgiveness, especially during the Ozdust ball when she realizes Galinda set her up. Elphaba didn't have to forgive her - she chose to do so.

Lastly - I'm sure you know that Steven Schwartz (for those who don't know him - he's the original composer of Wicked) worked side by side with Chu on this production throughout its entirety and has been raving about Grande's vocal performance.

We know she spent months training operatically, and it shows. We know she was originally on Broadway when she was 15, singing every night, and we know she has had to keep her voice healthy over long and demanding pop-related tours. Abby, you are a phenomenal vocalist, and I do agree with you that there are notable moments of strain, but I personally think saying she couldn't perform the song every night like a Broadway performer isn't accurate.

Many coloratura sopranos deliberately use controlled laryngeal depression to achieve a specific sound, similar to how Maria Callas would typically perform, or Diana Damrau. Additionally, for Grande to get the correct look for the screen while performing, she had to over-express her jaw movements for the camera to create visual interest for viewers. Glinda had to look around at all the Ozians while singing and appearing majestic and royal - the actual moments of jaw tension heard in the recordings are real but nowhere near excessive. I would say any audible jaw tension is infrequent. I've listened to a lot of her old work and could hear more frequent jaw tension than in any moments from the film. I think working on this show helped her train her voice in a more sustainable manner.

Additionally, given how closely she worked with Kristin Chenoweth (in addition to her voice coach) to get Galinda's vocals right, and considering their personal relationship even before the role (due to Grande looking up to Chenoweth and wanting to honor her performance), this kind of performance from Grande makes great sense. She even asked Chenoweth if she was proud of her and if she had done Galinda justice both when filming wrapped and after they watched one of the premieres together. Grande was meticulous behind the scenes in the recording studio—hands-on when mixing the tracks for both herself and Cynthia. Many have stated in more recent years that she has an incredible musical ear when working on her own tracks as well as tracks for others, so if she had heard excessive jaw tension that wasn't for stylistic purposes, we wouldn't have heard it in the final mix. Unlike her earliest works, when she did use many unhealthy vocal choices, as with her more recent works and considering how important this role was to her, any unnecessary and audible jaw tension would have been fixed by her during mixing before we heard it ourselves. While there are various moments of tension that remain audible, the frequency is just average, or perhaps slightly above average, compared to other vocalists in this style.

Regarding her breath control, which she used to struggle with long ago, I cannot disagree. However, it has come a very long way and is now *almost* comparable to that of professional Broadway vocalists. Also, she used to greatly struggle with breath control in a way that negatively impacted her diction and (while not perfect, still needs work) now this is truly night and day.

I say all this to emphasize that it's easy to critique Grande since she's such a public figure. However, I'd be doing the same thing for you, Abby, if someone were to critique your incredible vocals in a similar way. (Oh my goodness! Your vibrato, tone, placement, agility, stamina —- list goes on)! This isn't to say Grande's performance is perfect—there are moments of weakness, absolutely—however, none warrant actual concern over her long-term vocal health. While there are some elements she needs to work on to stay healthy, there aren't any major red flags for vocal health concerns, as long as she continues to maintain the vocal placement she has developed in recent years and practices proper care. Her 2018 vocal performance is another story entirely.

All this to say - as vocalists, we all have our own journeys working through what we individually need to work on, but I think the immense amount of operatic training is greatly apparent. As someone neutral toward her as an individual, it cannot be denied how much she put into this role over the past three years. She fought hard for it, and (as a Wicked superfan) I can tell how far she has come vocally just to do Galinda justice. She has been known to ask those she works with if they can change the temperature during interviews to protect her voice, speak carefully after straining days of interviews to protect her voice, and more. Among today's vocalists, I think Grande, who originated on Broadway, has placed great importance on vocal health and future vocal ability. To say she couldn't perform Galinda's vocal parts of the show for nights on end truly underrepresents what Grande knows how to do and could absolutely do with maintained practice and care.

Love your videos and curious what everyone else thinks! Respectfully disagreeing with each other over things we love is okay!! We are theatre nerds for a reason (for anyone reading this who resonates with it)! Wishing everyone wellness and peace this holiday season! :) <3

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